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Bill Seitz

You mean greater effectiveness isn't a sufficient motivator?

Ad revenue is a motivator for people who are navel-gazing, not for people who are focused on getting things done.

Kris

Bill - no, trust me, greater effectiveness is NOT a sufficient motivator. I've been in the enterprise and volunteer world since well before PCs were even heard of and, with the exception of email (which was driven by forces outside the typical enterprise), any improvements in effectiveness are fought tooth and nail.

The target audience I am talking about IS focused on getting things done and is not chained to the PC. Its just a convenient tool to get email. They ARE frustrated at the convoluted way normal groups in the civic and enterprise world operate and communicate. These people could leverage Web 2.0 tools if they only knew about it. Web 2.0 prognosticators could show them the way if only they had something to actually accomplish.

Maybe clicking on ads is a motivation for people with nothing to do but surf the internet gazing at other people's navel-gazing, but I doubt the ads OR the ad revenue is much of a consideration for the typical navel-gazing blogger. Ad 'revenue' is a motivator for people who own the ad channels.

There is a synergy to be had here by active group supporters, Web 2.0 tools (especially wikis), and ad revenue for nonprofits who can benefit from both the productivity AND the additional funding.

By the way, I am actually fairly new to the wiki world and your comment prompted me to check out your work - interesting stuff.

Hans Henrik H. Heming

I don’t agree with you. Maybe it’s my bad English skills, but if I have understood you right you say that there is no corporate use for the tool provides in the web2.0-arena – The Social Software Landscape?

My own little company – based in Copenhagen, Denmark – uses the tools provided in the Social Software Landscape as a profound toolbox to provide alternative processes to complex innovation/knowledge problems.

But isn’t it so that the discourse, when it comes to Web2.0, is based on advantages established in the external communication area as PR or advanced marketing? And that the results here are limited in comparison to internal use?

Just some thoughts…..

Kris

Hans - I am starting to think that perhaps I am the one with the bad English skills.

Seriously, this blog is nothing if not a forum promoting the use of wikis in the enterprise and civic arena. The only reason I started writing this blog is that I see opportunities for wikis EVERYWHERE. I didn't say there is no use for Web 2.0 tools in the corporate arena. What I DID say is that I have seen very little adoption of these tools in the corporate arena and that has been very frustrating.

Your "little company" is no doubt very young and its employees (you) understand the benefits of these online tools. Unfortunately, you and business people like you represent an infinitesimally small percentage of the business population who recognizes these benefits. I made the point in my post (as did Pollard and Wilcox) that nonprofits have also failed to adopt these tools but my theory is that the benefits are equal to the corporate arena AND the obstacles to adoption will be lower.

Yes, of course the discourse is intended as external communication to generate awareness, experimentation, traction, and adoption. My point is that the 'external' piece of that is not happening. The discourse is primarily within the ranks of the Web 2.0 bloggers talking amongst themselves. The awareness of the phenomenon barely registers with companies that are more than 10 years old and it is in these companies tha 99%+ of the population works.

Hans, the problem with the discourse on the blogoshere to date is that it is all about those 'cool early adopters' who get it. Very few writers/consultants out there are taking on a more adversarial approach to challenge those who need to use it to go out and try it and to challenge those who get it to get out there and start force-feeding it to organizations that really need it.

Yes, it's all about the discourse but the preachers need to go beyond preaching to the choir. I suppose that one irony of the Web 2.0 trend is that for such a great communication medium, the intended audience is not only not hearing the message, they aren't even aware the communication is taking place.

Hans Henrik H. Heming

Kris – thanks for clarification :-)

I agree 100% with you. Years back – in 2003 and 2004 I wrote a lot my self about corporate blogging and the use of different social tools. At a point in time I got stuffed up with all the blogpost telling the “stupid crowd” what was right and wrong. At that time I decided not to talk about the possibilities but showing by doing…….I’ve done since.

Your right – the potential is huge out there, and the development in the companies like Microsoft and IBM is telling us that we are on the right track. We are reaching the tipping point with high speed…..

…..but of course it’s going to slow – my bank is telling me all the time :-)

AND – I’ll begin to read your VERY interesting blog more regulary – you deserve that!

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